Build talk:D/W PvE AoD Dervish

I tried the build, and I suggest a change. Meditation for Zealous Renewal. As Long as you have a zealous scythe, you can hold energy much better. Tsunami (User:Tsunami) 06:49, 22 February 2011 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tsunami (User:Tsunami) (talk • contribs) .

I agree. I find meditation is better for energy management.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Leongrado (User:Leongrado) (talk • contribs) .

Please sign your comments with ~~~~ and indent one more than the previous comment with : Thanks. Zyke (User:Zyke) 01:31, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Taking an enchant that hoses all your adrenaline on a bar with SY! is probably a crappy idea. The whole point of the build (from what I can see) is to spam SY! and heals from the avatar. Zealous Renewal is a cheap flash enchant that is used to power the teardown attacks (and supply party healing) while returning it's energy cost when it's stripped. It should stay. And if it were me, I'd dump Dust Cloak and Staggering Force and take Balthazar's Rage (burning and +adrenaline when stripped) and another cheap 5en flash enchant like Aura of Thorns (PBAoE cripple, and bleeding when stripped). The earth damage from DC and StF would be negligible in HM anyway. jimbo321 talk 03:30, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

I chose those 2 because theyre the only ones with 6 second recharges. 10 seconds is too long for this build tbh. Life Guardian (User:Life Guardian) 05:56, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Why is there any reason to run two enchant strippers? Go with just Pious assault.

Sacrifice 2 Scythe Mastery and 1 Mysticism to bump Earth up to 10 + 1 and take Sand Shards for an awesome AoE buff that will also self-strip itself during battle for healing.

Whirling Charge is also great, whether you have high wind prayers or no wind prayers. Its another self-stripping enchant with an excellent recharge that will help you run from enemy to enemy faster. 76.208.9.218 06:35, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Enchant stripping is the whole point. The main reason that the enchants are there is to fuel the teardowns which provide near-constant party-wide heals via AoD. Any additional functionality that you can get out of the enchants is basically a bonus. jimbo321 talk 06:45, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

IMS is useful. Balthazar's Rage and Whirling Charge (and "FGJ!") together would make maintaining "SY!" much easier. Also, you can't really make use of two 6s recharge Flash Enchantments on top of Zealous Renewal (together, you'd have an Enchantment recharged every ~2.3s but you can only use an attack skill to remove Enchantments every ~2.6s; with 6s, 10s, 10s, you'd have Enchantments recharged every ~2.7s). If you were to take Whirling Charge and Rending Aura (or any other 6s recharge), however, you could actually have an Enchantment ending every ~2.3s, but timing would be a little difficult (you would sometimes need Whirling Charge for your attack skills, but you'd also often want Whirling Charge to end itself). St. Michael (User:St. Michael) 22:11, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Goal of the build

If this is to replace a healer, I would suggest dropping the scythe skills. Take Meditation, autoattacks should be fine DPS, especially compared to a monk. You could consider Release Enchantments for a Party-Wide WoH effect. Don't know if SY has a place here.Minion 09:15, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Probably more relevant here. St. Michael (User:St. Michael) 21:10, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

SY fits into this because it is actually attacking. the other dwayna build focuses more on the spaming or defence and less on damage. however, yes Release Enchantments would provide the other build ability to use the longer duration enchants more effectively. kinda distracted atm, can't edit right away though. 98.133.63.146 13:50, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

You should be attacking with both builds, that is the whole point of Flash Enchantments. However, the more scythe attacks you take, the less benefit from AoD you recieve. There is no room for scythe attacks here, imo. Autoattacking under SoH (maybe GDW if you're lucky) would be good enough.Minion 14:43, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

only one flash enchant ends on auto attacking, the others are either no spec'ed or teardown. this build is mostly teardown while the other is minimal specing for spam endings. in both, you auto attack but only this one "needs" scythe to not be stupid. Furwhat (User:Furwhat) 23:49, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

This is dumb to use on players, stick on a hero tbh--Relyk _talk 00:37, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

looks nice but drop chilling victory for some extra enchant to teardown or quickend. also Eremite's Zeal > Zealious strike for energy and is an enchant to trigger. 98.134.40.81 10:57, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

hero-only suggestion

Dervish / No profession 8 + 1 Wind Prayers 10 + 1 Earth Prayers 12 + 1 + 1 Mysticism Avatar of Dwayna Nightfall Dervish. Mysticism 14 Avatar of Dwayna Elite Form For 85 seconds, your attacks deal holy damage. Whenever you use a Dervish attack skill, you lose 1 hex. Whenever you lose a Dervish enchantment, all allies in earshot are healed for 47 Health. This skill is disabled for 45 seconds. 20 2 5 Conviction Nightfall Dervish. Earth Prayers 11 Conviction Flash Enchantment Spell For 10 seconds, you have +10 armor if you have a condition and gain 2 Health regen for each condition you have. When this enchantment ends, you are cured of 2 conditions. 10 5 Lyssa's Haste Nightfall Dervish. Wind Prayers 9 Lyssa's Haste Flash Enchantment Spell For 10 seconds, your Dervish enchantments recharge 33% faster. When you activate this enchantment, all adjacent foes are interrupted. When this enchantment ends, all adjacent foes are interrupted. 50% failure chance unless Wind Prayers 5 or higher. 15 10 Mystic Twister Nightfall Dervish. Wind Prayers 9 Mystic Twister Spell Deals 40 cold damage to all nearby foes. If you are enchanted, this spell deals an additional +40 cold damage. 8 ¾ 5 Mirage Cloak Nightfall Dervish. Earth Prayers 11 Mirage Cloak Flash Enchantment Spell For 5 seconds, you have a 69% chance to block incoming attacks. When you cast this enchantment, all nearby foes are struck for 32 earth damage. 10 10 Whirling Charge Nightfall Dervish. Wind Prayers 9 Whirling Charge Flash Enchantment Spell For 4 seconds, you move 33% faster than normal. The next time you strike a foe, all other nearby foes take 40 cold damage and this enchantment ends. 6 10 Shield of Force EotN Dervish. Earth Prayers 11 Shield of Force Flash Enchantment Spell For 12 seconds, blocks the next 1 attack against you. If an attack is blocked, all adjacent attacking foes are knocked down and suffer from Weakness for 16 seconds. 12 10 Meditation Nightfall Dervish. Mysticism 14 Meditation Enchantment Spell Lose all adrenaline. For 20 seconds, you gain 4 Energy every time an enchantment on you ends. 20 ¼ 10 Template code

or spec scythe:11+1, wind:8+1, earth:9+1, myst:9+1+1

first version i have 2 or 3 dervs @15 mystic and there is a constant flow of tiny damage and moderate heals. twister can be sandstorm if not worried about scatter. the second attribute spread enables auto attacking but barely heals as much... pious assault can be used for tear downs but would have to change meditation for zealious renewal which i hate. Furwhat (User:Furwhat) 19:22, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Ive been using this works pretty decent.

Dervish / No profession 11 + 1 Scythe Mastery 8 + 1 Earth Prayers 11 + 1 + 1 Mysticism Avatar of Dwayna Nightfall Dervish. Mysticism 13 Avatar of Dwayna Elite Form For 79 seconds, your attacks deal holy damage. Whenever you use a Dervish attack skill, you lose 1 hex. Whenever you lose a Dervish enchantment, all allies in earshot are healed for 44 Health. This skill is disabled for 45 seconds. 20 2 5 Twin Moon Sweep Nightfall Dervish. Scythe Mastery 12 Twin Moon Sweep Melee Attack You lose 1 Dervish enchantment and gain 42 Health. If an enchantment is lost in this way, you cannot be blocked, you strike twice, and you gain an additional 58 Health. 7 Wearying Strike Nightfall Dervish. Scythe Mastery 12 Wearying Strike Scythe Attack You remove 1 Dervish enchantment. If an enchantment was removed, you inflict a Deep Wound for 9 seconds. You suffer from Weakness for 10 seconds if an enchantment is not removed. 6 Eremite's Attack Nightfall Dervish. Scythe Mastery 12 Eremite's Attack Melee Attack If it hits, this attack deals +8 damage and removes a Dervish enchantment. If an enchantment is removed, you do an additional +8 damage and strike all adjacent foes. 6 5 Heart of Fury Nightfall Dervish. Mysticism 13 Heart of Fury Stance For 9 seconds, you attack 25% faster. 4 Staggering Force Nightfall Dervish. Earth Prayers 9 Staggering Force Flash Enchantment Spell All nearby foes are struck for 28 earth damage. For 30 seconds, your attacks deal earth damage. When this enchantment ends, all nearby foes have Cracked Armor for 6 seconds. 6 10 Mirage Cloak Nightfall Dervish. Earth Prayers 9 Mirage Cloak Flash Enchantment Spell For 5 seconds, you have a 64% chance to block incoming attacks. When you cast this enchantment, all nearby foes are struck for 28 earth damage. 10 10 Aura of Thorns Nightfall Dervish. Earth Prayers 9 Aura of Thorns Flash Enchantment Spell All nearby foes begin Bleeding for 11 seconds. For 30 seconds, this enchantment does nothing. When this enchantment ends, all nearby foes are Crippled for 6 seconds. 10 5 Template code

Sjan 09:03, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

As per my tiny research at User:Chieftain Alex/Sandbox, I'd like to suggest

Dervish / No profession 10 Scythe Mastery 8 Wind Prayers 12 + 2 + 1 Mysticism 0 Earth Prayers Avatar of Dwayna Nightfall Dervish. Mysticism 15 Avatar of Dwayna Elite Form For 90 seconds, your attacks deal holy damage. Whenever you use a Dervish attack skill, you lose 1 hex. Whenever you lose a Dervish enchantment, all allies in earshot are healed for 50 Health. This skill is disabled for 45 seconds. 20 2 5 Pious Assault Nightfall Dervish. Scythe Mastery 10 Pious Assault Melee Attack If it hits, this attack deals +17 damage and removes 1 Dervish enchantment. If a Dervish enchantment was removed, this skill recharges 75% faster and adjacent foes take 23 damage. 12 5 Aura Slicer EotN Dervish. Mysticism 15 Aura Slicer Melee Attack If this attack hits, you inflict Bleeding for 15 seconds. If you are enchanted, you also inflict Cracked Armor for 10 seconds. 4 Fleeting Stability Nightfall Dervish. Earth Prayers 0 Fleeting Stability Flash Enchantment Spell For 2 seconds, you cannot be knocked down and move 25% faster. This enchantment ends prematurely if it prevents a knockdown. 10 5 Whirling Charge Nightfall Dervish. Wind Prayers 8 Whirling Charge Flash Enchantment Spell For 4 seconds, you move 33% faster than normal. The next time you strike a foe, all other nearby foes take 37 cold damage and this enchantment ends. 6 10 Heart of Fury Nightfall Dervish. Mysticism 15 Heart of Fury Stance For 10 seconds, you attack 25% faster. 4 Lyssa's Haste Nightfall Dervish. Wind Prayers 8 Lyssa's Haste Flash Enchantment Spell For 9 seconds, your Dervish enchantments recharge 33% faster. When you activate this enchantment, all adjacent foes are interrupted. When this enchantment ends, all adjacent foes are interrupted. 50% failure chance unless Wind Prayers 5 or higher. 15 10 Zealous Renewal Nightfall Dervish. Mysticism 15 Zealous Renewal Flash Enchantment Spell All nearby foes take 30 holy damage. For 25 seconds, you have -1 Energy regeneration and gain 1 Energy whenever you hit a foe. If this enchantment ends prematurely, you gain 5 Energy. 10 5 Template code

• Meditation is not needed due to presence of Zealous Renewal.
• Whirling allows the hero to rush into battle with scythe to be in range.

-- Chieftain Alex 09:33, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I like Alex' build. The only thing I'd be worried about is whether the hero would spam Fleeting properly or not. --Jai. - 14:14, August 23 2011 (UTC)

Current hero build looks bullshit?

Well at least attacker's insight. -- Chieftain Alex 21:16, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Still looks zzz, I don't know if Lyssa's Haste would work better.--Relyk 22:44, 28 September 2011 (UTC)