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Cleeeeeeeaaaaaann. -- -

That's how I like my boys. 14:39, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

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Hi, I was wondering if you (or any other lost soul who reads this page) could shed some light on the "meta tag" for me. I was wondering what qualifies a build for the meta category. Of course I understand that OP builds like Panic qualify for this category, but what about the UA healer build for example? This build is categorised in "good" so is it safe to assume that not all meta build have to be "great" builds, but just popular ones? If this is the case, I'm wondering if Discordway for example still deserves this tag these day. 21:16, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, you're on the right track. In my alliance I see people asking for the discord builds daily (and never anything else, except maybe Sabway). Basically, meta is what is at least decent and is very commonly seen in pugs and in farming groups. The , for instance, isn't exactly the best monk build you can run, but it's easy to use and used by nearly every group that has healers in it. The UA healer could probably go either way, to be honest. It's moderately common, and is easily the most common hero monk healer build. -- -


fuck you faggot dont edit what i edit i will fuck your life up

nou-- -

User talk:E.Snow to User:E.Snow

Just so you know, new users can only create their own talk page. Hence a lecture in the edit summary doesn't do much good. I posted a workaround in the most recent news post (and linked it in the sitenotice), but I guess most people just don't read it. -- 03:02, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes..it was the reason I put it in the talk page b/c I couldn't seem to put it anywhere else. I looked at the sandbox options but tbh..no one uses those and for a new user..they won't want to be the 1st to use an existing option that no one uses. If the "workaround" is not the sandbox option..I am confused.--E.Snow () 03:10, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Someone has used the sandbox already to post their links. I just clear it afterwards so I know it's done. -- 03:12, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Oh, right, forgot about that. I remember one of the other users a week or two back that first found the issue, but it slipped my mind since then. E.Snow, I should have offered more explanation as to the whole moved page and everything, but I was feeling particularly lazy so I didn't do anything but move the page. If you need any help, feel free to ask one of the few people who are still around for assistance. Most of the elitist faggotry that has plagued PvX over the years has died down, so you might just end up having a nice time here. :D -- -
No worries. I am brand new here and do not quite understand how things work so plz excuse me. I have intentions of updating some of the Dungeon things..I guess as soon as my "4 days or whatever" is up. Should I put some of those in the sandbox for now? Oh and one other ?...do these comments and such count as edits? If not what counts as the (9 I think) edits that are required for me to have more access?--E.Snow () 03:27, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Yes, comments count towards your edits. If you need any page created, just create a link to what you want the name to be (place something like this:[[Build:Team - Dungeon SC]]) in the sandbox. Another user will create the page for you so that you can edit that page. -- 03:29, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Play gw-- 05:22, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

My fucking life told me not to. I should be back soon though, for about a week or two before I'll probably quit gw's for good. -- -

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What is this I don't even.. 08:11, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi

I had a whole paragraph written where I raged at you for being bad, but I figured your one-line insult to me didn't really account for it, and lolpvx. So I'll just say the only people supporting that build are shitty players at the moment. Roland () 05:12, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

i like how you think it all becomes ok when you say lolpvx because you clearly care enough to write a paragraph because you got flamed and called a retard by Jai of all people. 06:31, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
I have a high ego and couldn't sleep so I figured I would respond and follow the average pvx'ers protocol of flaming on his talk page. Roland () 20:13, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
i like how you were berated by Excluded of all people-- 06:52, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
i like how relyk's copying my comment format!!!1 07:30, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
Relyk is the only person here (that I have seen) that doesn't suck a hard one at GW. Toraen is the only person here that is actually sensible. The people that are trashing the build are you, shadow form, and excluded, and shadow form has proven time and again that he cannot reason anywhere near properly, and excluded has been shown himself to be a scrub several times on PvX (see for an example). -- -
You're not pinning that on me still, are you? Physway happened a year ago :o. Anyway, it's still bad (no, not physway) Although I do acknowledge that we were trying hard to sell a team build that didn't do anything. It was a fun way to enter the PvX land, though. 17:49, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
I'll just not react to your ego. Shadow Form 18:29, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
@Excluded, you've never shown me anything to say that you've changed from that kind of terrible reasoning you've shown on that page (and others). Not to mention that crap is still the first thing that comes to mind when I see you. @SFS, I don't really have much of an ego, I just don't like you because of all the retarded crap you've done here (like the massive voting streak you did where 70% of the votes looked like you didn't know what the fuck you were talking about).
As a rule of thumb, I'm basically OCD about trying to change peoples' minds on a subject where I think they are wrong. It's nothing personal, I just don't like anything to be incorrect ever. I also say fuck a lot and flame people because PvX is the one place I can vent and because I'm a "good little boy" in real life. And I'm on the internet because I don't really like people all that much (though I'm fantastic at pretending and almost anyone IRL likes me) so I go where people can't know who I am and I try to shit all over them. /Jai'slifestory -- -
cool story bro. But really, you said it yourself, I'm tarred with the stigma of something I did a year ago; "hey theres minion the guy who thought physway was good roflmaochopter", which isnt' really "correct". 03:47, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
No you act like an autist, it has nothing to do with physway. Also don't troll jai, he gets butthurt easily.-- 04:14, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
>:D 04:59, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
Tooooo easy... Shadow Form 11:39, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
Pretty much. :/ Though I'll just laugh at any of Minion's attempts at trolling, I'm sure. Also, kyler has a sensitive topic as well, shown on my user page :D -- -

Hi

Are you still a dick? 02:05, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Probably. Are you still a retard? -- -
How come people who come back after an extended period of time act like douchebags?-- 03:12, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
1. They don't actually give a shit. 2. They came back to troll b/c bored. 03:23, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
AHAHHAA NIGA HILARYS LOL SUQ AHAHAHHAHAHHHA YOU RLY DAT SHIT BRO :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD -- -- 10:51, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Dandy! <3 -- -
I don't think Dandy ever left... 14:28, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

hey

you're fucking retarded I hate you you should go crawl in a hole and die. you've started school right?-- 02:27, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

you're fucking retarded I hate you you should go crawl in a hole and die. Yeah, first physics test tomorrow. It's basically on three topics: one dimentional motion (distance, velocity, acceleration, time), two dimensional motion (the same stuff but with vectors for the first three) and circular motion. you started yet? -- -
in 9 days, quarter class schools just have really late start i guess-- 04:00, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
fuuuuuck, my alarm clock reset itself and I have to go tell it what time it is. effort, wut. /slitwrists /goestobed -- -

meleemancer

hi jai, pls give real rating not just "fuck no" (that's not a real rating or reason) There are some good points to consider so please tell me why it's bad in a 7h scenario. 23:50, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

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00:05, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

dont_hotlink_you_cheap_gits.jpg I was talking to Jai, see. 00:28, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
He_Mad.jpg I raise another image macro to another. 00:38, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
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Challenge accepted. 00:48, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
coolface.jpg ^____________^ 00:57, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
I've got a feeling Jai's not gonna like this. 01:03, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

He'll probably still try to hug Vincent and aim his anger at me. Well, @Vince; I see your images and raise u moving pic. yw 01:13, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

02:16, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

This section has Terran written all over it-- 02:41, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Image macros are much different to faggot video responses, sir. 02:42, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

This is rather cute... And first off, any (and I really mean any) build that has Meleemancer in its name is retardation. Second, if you're going to try to do melee, you'd be better off with VoS. The fact that you have fucking Barbs in the optionals tells me you have no clue what you're doing. Also, I don't care whether you have PS or not. 20 armor is going to make everything hit 60's on you, and you'll die in exactly 10 hits, whether they be wands, flares, whatever. And of course, if it does get stripped (because enchantment removal is common in PvE, guys), you'll die about as fast as a 600 monk that drops PS. -- -

meh, if you are secondary derv AND you're getting ench removed all the time, VoS would be the inferior option to unremovable HB. -- 12:43, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
If there's a good amount of enchantment removal in the area, you shouldn't be using PS, SoH, SoA, or any of the other enchants that are associated with meleeing. At that point you'd be better off just running a vanilla caster build. -- -
You always use PS/Aegis. SoA is optional, but you can use a cover enchant (Aegis or SoA to cover PS) And it's enough when you have plenty of heals to survive until after you've blown up the mob. @Vincent; That's the best cartoon I have ever seen. srs 13:48, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

moo

  1. Splinter Weapon
  2. Melee character with any AoE attack
  3. ????
  4. Profit!

MoP is in between the second and third question mark next to Barbs and Vow of Strength. Hundred Blades is hiding under the period.-- 11:49, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi, breaking 1RV is more disruptive than leaving a stub tag on a userspace build. Explain to him the situation, and when he knows what he did wrong, revert the change then to avoid breaking policy and spamming recent changes. Thanks! — 00:53, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Irony is since the tags were edited to check for the correct buildspace to apply the templates by Hhippo, its a very outdated policy that we don't use tags in userspace builds :/ 01:24, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
and when he knows what he did wrong, revert the change — 02:19, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
Failed troll, ska. Try again if you'd like. -- -
So you're not going to follow policy then? Looks like I'll have to resort to the Admin noticeboard next time. — 02:27, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
That's like a drunk dude that's driving past someone speeding and saying "hey, I'm gonna call the cops on you!" -- -
If worse comes to worst, the guy who keeps slapping a buildspace tag in userspace will get a short ban for being dumb. No 1RV issues here. ~ 02:30, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
Yeah why not ban him instead of letting him know what he did wrong. He was probably a fag any guys, amirite? Glad to see the wiki in warm, welcoming hands. — 02:33, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
If he persists after several warnings, why not? ~ 02:36, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
You have to understand something. You know how the wiki functions, you've been here a while (it seems). Do you remember when you first started? He might just think someone's fucking with his build or that he messed up somehow. Please don't think it's a good idea to ban new users on a first, extremely mild offense. — 02:38, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
Here's what I did when I started using wiki... I asked questions or got others to do things for me. So no.~ 02:44, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
You guys are so lazy..when I started using wiki I just read up on all the guides and everything. Screw relying on others! Roland () 05:22, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
I looked at other people's crap and modeled my crap after theirs. -- -
^~ 13:06, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Jai, think this through. A new user has just joined. They decide to make a build in their userspace, and add a tag onto it because they want it to be seen. They don't know that's the wrong thing to do. They go away for a while, and when they come back they see the tag's been removed, so they add it back in. They do some more edits, go away again and the same thing happens! What is a new user to do in such a situation other than keep correcting this mistake!

My point here is: It took you guys about 5 removals before one of you thought "hey lets leave a message on his talk page"... 13:14, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

I thought he would figure it out earlier. Probably should have sent him a message earlier, but I guess I assumed that after it had been removed twice he might try to figure out why. But Ska's just making a big deal out of it because I called him out for troll voting. -- -
Although my timing was convenient, are you saying I shouldn't have corrected your policy breech? — 23:05, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
Considering I had already corrected myself, no. -- -
Nowhere have I seen your "correcting yourself". Ska's intentions aside, he's right in that you shouldn't have reverted so much. In future let the user know after the first removal, don't assume they've read the policies, and know about the history tab + edit summaries. 17:58, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
. And I already said that I should have done something about it earlier, but I was being lazy. But the problem was already fixed before he posted on my talk page (see the timestamps). -- -
It's not about the problem being "fixed", ska's post was pointing out your broke policy. That's not something you can "fix" (If I go deleting the main page then a few hours later re-make it that doesn't change the fact I massively abused my power?). 18:34, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
If you had reverted somebody a couple of times before telling them that they're breaking policy, I probably wouldn't care, no. :/ (going slightly by my previous example, should a cop give somebody a ticket for going 57 in a 55, especially when there's at least one other person going 85?) -- -
I'll help you out here. I mistakenly breeched policy, apologize for it, and have learned from my misakes — 20:06, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
I guess I would have apologized first thing if it wasn't a such a massive hypocrite that was telling me to do so. -- -
It's not a case of caring. Also, your analogy doesn't translate very, it'd be more apt. to have said "is it fair to give someone a speeding ticket for doing 60 in a 50 zone, when there's somebody committing murder in the next town over". (at least, I'm assuming your implying the "80" is Ska and his troll vote(s)). 00:07, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
It's more of a case of one going 80 and getting caught, then continuing to go 80 regardless. The guy who went 57 spends all his time fighting against the ticket, but the speed gun doesn't lie. He pays the fine. — 04:03, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
I was working under the assumption that the 2 policy violations were different types of crime, i.e. not comparable. 16:58, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
If we keep going by the same metaphor, it'd probably be similar to a cop driving by someone getting murdered while a guy is passing him going 65 in a 55. -- -
Jaigoda still has 100% faggotry in his blood :>. 13:43, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Anvil's still 9001% troll. -- -
His trolling..ITS OVER 9000!!!!....WHAT?!?!?!?! Roland () 20:54, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Which edit are we talking about specifically?-- 21:43, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Welle Sin (), , and . -- -

I have a Proposition

Let's be friends! 00:35, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Um. Okay. I guess. Yeah, um... Yeah. Just yeah.... Friends... A friend.... -- -
Read the history, it'll piss off Minion and Excluded. 13:40, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

ahk script

sounds like a decent idea for a guide — Rally- kupo! 04:36, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

o.O Maybe this weekend. I'm busy as shit (i.e. shouldn't be on here right now) until thursday. Two exams and an essay all on the same day, with two homeworks due before then. -- -
working on it, I always just got scripts off Tab though so gotta relearn this kinda. I'm surprised there hasn't been a page for that yet — Rally- kupo! 04:42, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Oh, I know nothing about how to actually write scripts, so nvm. Good luck with it. -- -

Your ratings

Are you hacked or trolling? If not, what the hell dude!? 19:27, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

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So you wanna prove your point by submitting retarded votes? C'mon.. 19:36, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
Except they each have valid reasons, ones that have been brought up (and never really refuted) many times in the past. -- -
Except that they are WAY out out proportion, and you know it. 19:44, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
And you're saying the 5-5 votes on just about any build here aren't out of proportion? No build is perfect, and that includes ER eles, shock axe, etc. etc. -- -
I just don't get why you act this way all of a sudden :( Did something happen or are there any ratings you're dissatisfied with at this moment, for you to react this way? 19:55, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
No, this isn't out of anger of anything, but I figured it'd be easier to give examples as to how the vetting system is flawed right now than to write up a whole page about it. -- -
Jai, are you dumb? Where do you find Rend in PvE+human ERs know to cover. I shall take your rating to the top! ~ 20:03, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
Also, Chilblains, Strip Enchantment, Mirror of Enchantment, Pain of Disenchantment, Well of the Profane, Shattering Assault, Expunge Enchantments, Assault Enchantments, Dark Apostasy, Signet of Twilight, Disenchantment, Gaze of Contempt. -- -
Also, note that it's votes like these that have caused almost every shitstorm in the past several months. Of course, I'll remove mine before that happens because, again, I'm simply trying to make a point. -- -
Your point is invalid, for good ER eles don't lose ER. Well of Profane is the only dangerous one, and that's not vs yourself but when protting melee. ~ 20:16, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
ER vote, well, yes, it is a problem, enchant remove. BUT SINCE WHEN DOES THE A.I HAVE THE BRAIN TO ACTUALLY FUNCTION AS HUMANS?!? 20:28, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Well that was dumb. -- 20:14, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

(EC)The system isn't perfect but it's what we got; you'll have to deal with it. Troll votes and bad reasoning come with the territory. Protesting by trashvoting builds just creates shit for the admins (i.e. Toraen) to deal with. It won't help solve the problem and just makes you part of the problem.-- 20:17, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
(EC)Yes, troll votes and bad reasoning do come with the territory, so shouldn't we do something about it so that it doesn't affect (or affects less) the ratings of builds? I'm not advocating bring back BM's or anything, and I'm not saying Toraen and Phen should start going and removing any and all votes that aren't within the majority. However, I think there is a lot that we could do to make the criteria for vetting a lot clearer (because you know as well as I do that there are several arguments that get rehashed whenever a noob makes a new build). If it was up to me, we'd also have a more lenient policy for removing votes, but I'm not going to argue that one too much because I know Toraen and Phen are against that. Still, I don't think it's too much to ask to get something like into the works so we don't have to get into the same arguments over and over across multiple builds. -- -
Only people like Skakid who are familiar with the wiki and display critical thinking would reason with comparing builds across professions. You don't see those kinds of issues with users that tend to only rate builds, who simply vote based on if they find that the build works well or not. Things like CuBuRe are common sense for any semi-intelligent person. It's simply impractically to provide stringent criteria for what a build should be. The ratings are what they are, you can't police every build for the rating you think it should have. Just trust our little community will be right most of the time as they aren't nearly as retarded as the rest of Guildwars.-- 20:53, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
What was your point? If you talk shit you get shit back? I hope you don't really think RoJway is better...~ 21:45, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
If you're replying to me (indent wtf), I hope you don't think 7HPS is better than RoJway... -- -
As if Player Support is awesome... 22:00, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
In fact, tbh I almost would agree with my "troll" reasoning at this point, though maybe not quite as much as the rating I gave it would imply. RoJway is just as safe as 7HPS and has a lot more firepower. -- -
I must agree with you. I just 5-5ed that 7HPS because its the only lame shit build accepted as some sort of "meta"-build for 7H 22:06, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
Let's recap: PoD hybrid is strong, ignore the minion bomber for now, eSurge and Inept are strong, SoS and SoGM are strong and so is the RoJ monk. RoJway, while good, is only really effective with a melee player to anchor mobs. The bulk of your damage comes from RoJ, which is very glass-cannon. If they kite both RoJs, you're doomed. The support you get isn't worth it just to take RoJ when more mesmers or even Invoke ele heroes would be more effective. ~ 22:12, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
"Strong" 22:31, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
There is so much fail in that comment that I'm not going to respond. -- -
Or you could say why you think RoJway is better. ~ 00:26, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
Roj brings divine healing/heaven's delight and versatile with optionals (10 spec ftw). You also get the condition and hex removal, one of the other reasons it's excellent for melee. If you aren't spiking, roj is usually for pushing kills rather than the bulk of your damage. You could go worse for glass-cannon, like running invoke eles.-- 00:47, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
For melee, yes, but for a caster? ~ 02:21, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
GDA+IAU = tank. You don't have to run a melee build to ball shit. -- -
lol GDA. I don't think gimping my bar with 2 PvE skills proves very efficient just to use RoJ. Seems more of a crutch for casters. ~ 02:38, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
You do realize that your variant of 7HPS is doing nothing but switch out one of the RoJ's for a resto necro, right? Tell me, how does that make a stronger, less "glass cannon [offensively]" build than RoJway? -- -
Because Mark of Pain follows the target and blows shit up fast. RoJ is slow, clunky and can mess up easily when simply "cspacing". I'm currently optimising Markway to make it more specificially a hero physway than just throwing two dervs in. ~ 04:08, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
MoP is crap when you're cspacing... -- -
Obviously your definition of cspace is a different one to mine. Cspacing still allows a small amount of weaponswapping for bow, but also remember that Death's Charge+already mobbed mobs+AP=doesn't really matter. Have you never used MoP outside of FoWsc?~ 04:31, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
On heroes, yes, on a player, no, mostly because I don't have a necro anymore. Why are you talking about a specific profession? -- -
The build is necro specific, but what you were replying to was generally, not profession-specific... What gave you that idea? Because I mention AP? I'm currently skill capping and using Glyph of Renewal, enjoying it actually, might use it more often. Next up is warrior skills so roll on meleemancer. p.s. minion bomber w/ no dn is pro.~ 05:02, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Dude... I literally cannot figure out the crap you write. I have no idea what you're even arguing about ay this point. -- -

Continuing on, using roj with a caster isn't that great of an option, where you can immediately spike with AP or other nukes. You still have to love the convenience of hex removal with aoe heals and possibly RoJ+YMLaD for spiking. It's still possible to spike with RoJ on a caster without balling if you bring Binding Chains on a hero. It's something you have to work more for otherwise you get rojs firing off randomly and not getting much done.-- 08:51, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
One smiter is enough, two doesn't add much else (similar to running two minion bombers) SoS hybrid/SoGM are strong in an offensive and defensive aspect; ghostshields and boneshields make things easy. Shared Burden tries to capitalise on RoJ's effect, so I'm pretty sure that is the expected damage output skill of the build, much like I use snares to keep foes in MoP's effect. But we're now talking 7HPS vs RoJway on casters. The paragon is trash, that option can be deleted on that page because it has 0 synergy. You already have FB on the RoJ and there are no physical augmenting skills like orders, barbs, mop or so. Panic is meh aswell but both of the mesmer bars are very mix and match. I prefer PI/Inept or eSurge. ~ 20:33, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
Jai was comparing 7HS with Rojway on ambiguous terms. I'm pretty sure he considered it more efficient from the spiking aspect, which presumes a melee player. But if you want to talk solely about use on casters, I won't argue with that.-- 21:37, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
I reckon this ends into nothing useful. On the other side, when did anything on pvx end into something useful 21:43, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
if excluded didn't spend the entire time arguing himself, these discussions would be much more productive-- 21:56, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
I don't understand why Jai was comparing Markway to RoJway when one uses a caster and the other uses a melee. And the pimary professions that can use it effectively are necro, sin and ele. Not sure on others yet, maybe an echo-mop mesmer, but I wouldn't be so sure... ~ 22:05, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
I don't follow, Jai hasn't mentioned Markway once...-- 01:11, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
"You do realize that your variant of 7HPS is doing nothing but switch out one of the RoJ's for a resto necro, right? Tell me, how does that make a stronger, less "glass cannon [offensively]" build than RoJway?" That is referring to Markway (trying to justify why I should think 7hps is better than rojway when I use this) ~ 01:28, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
You skip a step since markway is totally different from 7HS; rather you should be arguing why markway is better than 7HS, and then argue by continuation that 7HS is better than RoJway. You can just as easily call rojway a variant of 7HS (7HS is the set of all team builds) for the same purpose.-- 02:22, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
You do realize the 7HPS is 7 Hero Player Support (), not Markway, right? Everything I'm talking about there is about 7HPS, because you were talking about 7HPS as well. And you were arguing for 7HPS by saying you should add in the RoJ, which makes the build nearly an exact copy of RoJway except that you replace the second RoJ with a resto necro. How you got that I was talking about Markway when I'm saying 7HPS is absolutely beyond me. -- -
I'm re-reading your comment, and it's making less and less sense each time. It's like you're trying to say I Am the Walrus predicted the (American) Revolutionary War. -- -
I think he didn't know. Still, how wouldn't he be able to know? 15:19, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

AoB Dervish

Ok I've saved the build from deletion for a short while [rating is exactly 3.75]. I'm wondering about the order conditions are applied by it, is the burning on top or is the blind/cracked armor on top - so when you use reap impurities does it remove the burning or the other condition? If it turns out it removes the burning then the build is meh. I'll add some proper reasoning when/if i get a response. 07:41, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Alex; removing Burning>removing CA, I would have thought. Dem whirling derwish like big numbers and burning has no big numbers. EDIT: Burning= 14dps (compare with CA pls?)~ 10:50, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
It doesn't really matter. The conditions aren't what are providing the brunt of the damage. Dust Cloak and Staggering Force are used because they're the only two 6-recharge skills that are in the same attribute. If there were shorter-recharging flash enchantments (outside of PR obviously), it'd be using those, since TMS should be available every other attack, or every 2.25 seconds. The idea is just to pump damage as much as possible, which should be fine as you've already got an extra 20-25 armor (the last 5 being from an enchantment on you - SoH or Zealous Renewal or something) and energy management is great since you're getting 12 energy every swing of TMS. In fact, I think the build might be able to go without Zealous, but if nothing else it's another flash enchantment with the nice advantage of being free. Still, might definitely add Grenth's Fingers and/or Grenth's Aura as variants soon. -- -
Confirmed: Burning is not removed. -- -
ok thanks for that. I've decided to remove my vote completely since I don't have a dervish and tbh don't know how they perform in pve enough to rate it. 12:55, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
You should make one. They have by far the biggest damage of the three melees, and are in close second with wars for best defense. I don't really see a better profession for general PvE. --Jai. 13:39, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
I'm unwilling to delete my paragon or ele, despite not really liking running either. 13:52, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Jai, I have adjusted my vote as you asked. It's 4-4 now ;). Have a nice day 14:54, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

"Toraen and Phen would be able to see that I pretty much only use one IP"

Unless you're using old computers and an OLD Modem from some terribad ISP (and unless you've set it up to be otherwise, which you only need to if you're doing network related things really), you will have a dynamic IP. So you might log in from the same machine (or two) but you might have about 10 different IP addresses as far as we can see (but it's easy to see you're using 2, potentially 3 different networks because of what the addresses are) 23:57, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Or if you're running over a wireless network access point ether-subnet with multiple dependent network attached storage devices you'll have one. 00:01, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
was there a comma or word missing in that sentence? 00:06, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
Thats the technical name for my setup, so no. :< 00:10, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
a wireless network access point ether-subnet (garbage jargon) , with multiple dependent network attached storage devices (so fucking wordy), you'll have one — Rally- kupo! 03:20, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
Not really, you can create a static IP. Especially handy when port forwarding to speed up downloads. 00:20, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
EDIT: woops I see you already described that scenario in your (..) sentence, my bad. 00:25, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
Okay. Does that mean that proxies will be dynamic as well? I can't even really remember why I wanted to know that. -- -
Proxies just give you some random IP which can be from all over the world, it will be different every time you use one. 02:51, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
I'm not clear on the specific going ons of proxies (I think they have a list of IP addresses that they hold and assign users to them or something *shrug*), but basically chances are each time you use it your IP will be different. 18:17, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Gun laws

I'm interested in your view on this, since you brought it up. Why would you/everyone be opposed? ~ 00:00, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm against having things outside of simple handguns and rifles, for self-defense and hunting respectively (and I dislike hunting, btw, but other people do). Having more than that is just stupid, but since it's the second amendment in our constitution and touching the constitution is essentially heresy, there's no way we're going to have any real restrictions on guns for the foreseeable future. -- -
Meh. It's also a matter of security vs. liberty. The more liberties you give away, the harder it is to predict what will happen outside of banning guns. — Rally- kupo! 00:10, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
When were those rules made? Surely they've been revised before... Wasn't it Lincoln that made them? (halp mah ignorance) ~ 00:46, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
Never anything of significance. Once it's in the constitution it's almost impossible to change it. Especially the original Constitution and the first ten amendments (bill of rights). In fact, a widely-held belief is that our government should only allow things that are in line with the original ideas of the Constitution. Thus, guns, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, freedom from cruel and unusual punishment, and so on are untouchable in essence. And the rules were made in 1787 when the Constitution was adopted... Lol Lincoln. Ska, the domino effect has been proven time and again to be completely false. -- -
Restricting gun laws means a bigger underground market means scarier criminals with bigger guns that you don't have. Or, that the police don't even have. Regulating things makes it harder for people to get it illegally (I knew a million places to get weed in high school, but couldn't get alcohol if I tried). — Rally- kupo! 02:04, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
I would have expected the police to have guns and a greater presence. I think I'll have to find out what happens in the UK but I'm pretty sure if a criminal and a civilian were to aim a gun at eachother, the criminal wouldn't hesitate to shoot. People get permits for hunting rifles or permission to have a shooting range in their house, etc. I guess people feel everyone having a gun is a deterrent for crime? If that were true, there'd be alot less murder. I'm sure I read somewhere Lincoln added a speech on the end of it and was a racist. =/ ~ 02:28, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
I live in south phili, there's some shady characters down here. A big reason my house doesn't get robbed every night is because they're afraid to get shot. If they roll up in my house with AK-47s, I'm fucked .— Rally- kupo! 02:35, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
Lincoln was a bad racist- Roland () 02:39, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Banning them would be the way forward but theres already too many so the black market for them would be too big so it would just keep a criminal element but take away the protection one. I mean, in england, we have pretty much no gun crime at all and cops dont need to carry guns, ive never even seen a gun irl... shoulda just had it that way in the first place! Rawr () 09:13, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I recall we used to get policemen in airports with ak47s a couple of years back right after the terror threat :p 13:14, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Make Jai happy

Think of it this way:
If most people on the wiki, who are more knowledgeable than the average player, don't like a build, neither will the rest of the gw community. I can disagree all I want, but if people don't like it, let it be trashed. That way we only keep builds that are effective and that people use effectively. When it comes to niche builds like resto rit lord and er dom, a majority of pve players won't like using them. If people don't like to use the builds, what purpose does it serve having them on PvXwiki? It's not about what builds you or I find effective, it's what the community as a whole finds effective; that's what makes the wiki such a great resource for builds.-- 08:29, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

But the community likes stuff like Discord!? The majority of PvE players are not pro and actually run things like a resto rit Relyk, when Excluded or someone else posts a pug builds everyone here hates on it. Anyway, it's become impossible to get any new build vetted here because there are always 1 or 2 douchebags who are gonna rate it 1-1 for some reason and you'll need a lot of 5-5's to compensate for that, which aren't here anymore. And things don't get easier when the build itself only deserves like a 4-4/4-3 rating.. 13:24, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
There's no way to make people follow the vetting rules. Trust me. No matter how many warnings you throw out, people still compensate-vote. — Rally- kupo! 17:08, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
No skill changes makes it also very difficult to invent new builds 17:12, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
I think misery said it best: the wiki is intentionally designed to make it difficult to get non-meta builds vetted.-- 22:00, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
What Shadow said, no major changes since derv update like..9months ago? means most of the "good" builds have already been found and are being used. Roland () 23:51, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
There should be a surge of builds being archived and introduced when the Hard Mode update comes into play in Jan. ~ 23:55, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
What? They're actually going to make a big update to gw soon? that seems dumb since gw2 is so close..I might have to reinstall gw when the update comes out to see if anything good happened.. Roland () 00:05, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
It will be coming with the third instalment of the Cantha stuff, but all it really is is just Hard Mode foes have more health and less armour. It will mean builds like Icy Veins nukers/hybrids, melee (ya rite) and invoke eles will be stronger than ever before. Looking forward to it.~ 00:14, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
Oh, eles will actually have alternatives now and melee can do more than tank/use buffs? Amazing, about time they fixed that. Maybe I could actually use my ele for than pvp at that point.. Roland () 00:23, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Fuck

I might have to make an elementalist now. Also, this is a new low for a PvP update. They should have split almost every single one of those skills.

Not until after Christmas I think. (update postponed.) -- 12:02, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
Yes, but it's coming either way. -- -

zzz

Stop making yourself an easy target for Skakid and Veran. It's annoying to have them jump on your case every chance you give them. Bitch about in your head or something.-- 08:45, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

I have no problem with bitching, I have problems with namecalling and other childish acts. If they were targeting me then I'd ignore it, but telling inexperienced players that they are stupid is severely fucking counter-productive. Just calm your shit Jai. ApplesaucePancakes () 08:52, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
If anything, harassing Jai doesn't help either veran. Let the admins deal with it.-- 10:13, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Will do. ApplesaucePancakes () 10:23, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Fianchetto's been here for a while, and he should realize by now that before he makes changes to the mainbar he should check that it's actually possible to put a second copy of the skill on the bar. He even said that he should have checked. I wouldn't have blinked an eye at a few insults had I been in that position. -- -

Talking to Jai

"You can't have two triple shots, stupid." While ApplesaucePancakes behaviour has been inappropriate, this is also unacceptable. I know your consider your intellect to be superior to your peers and that you don't even consider this much of an accomplishment, but I suggest you gain some perspective. Just because someone doesn't realise you can't take both the Luxon and Kurzick version of an allegiance skill at the same time doesn't mean that they are stupid. All you had to do was link them to the relevant page on GWW and inform them of their mistake. This is the kind of behaviour I expect. If you can't be arsed to explain why they are wrong, you can tell them that they are wrong without calling them stupid. If you can't even bring yourself to do that, say nothing. That will prevent you from receiving administrative attention. 10:54, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

The best way to become insta-relaxed is send Wikia Curse a message, asking them to change your name to "Dandy". Then you put a "^_^" in your signature and tell everyone to have some gingerbread when they go all pouty [and slutty (not a reference to certain brilliant porn stars)]. If anyone would bother reading my contributions from over half a year back, I'm venting my feelings about PvX'rs universal autism by telling them to "do the behavies", while subtly and ever so gently trolling them, for how they don't make themselves seem particularly charming or intellectually endowed. Much like I'm doing to you right now, but it feels oh so good, doesn't it, babe? :> (PS. ^___^) -- -- 15:40, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
(EC)I'm genuinely sorry that I didn't realize this became Carebearwiki. I will rectify my behavior in accordance. -- -
Dude(/dudette?)...I don't really care, as you could probably tell. The shitstorm on Misery's talkpage was funny though. Misery you played Cave Story?Fianchetto () 16:32, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
For the record, dude. -- -
Just wanted to add, ApplesaucePancakes was way overreacting and what he said was worse than anything I can see that you have said over the past few days. For the record, I have no problem with you saying things like "You don't need another fucking RoJ", but people will listen to you more if you don't swear at them. 17:33, 12 December 2011 (UTC)


Oh Jai you used to be such a good boy as well... Athrun Feya () 20:47, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi Lau! How's Euroland? 20:48, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
(EC)What are you talking about? I've always been an ass. -- -
I prefer people being pussies, or at least dicks. -- -- 04:31, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

calc test

i hammered the entire semester of calc II into my brain 3 hours before the test. good luck heh — Rally- kupo! 19:30, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

fucked up 2 problems, out of 35. Could be worse. I'm just hoping I did well enough on the other 33 (and that those 2 don't have a ridiculous weight) that I manage a B, which will give me an A for the course. We'll see on Tuesday... -- -
If it makes you feel any better about your 2 fucked up problems, I've spent 18 hours straight doing CAD work for this shitty design project on hydraulic rock breakers. 22:24, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
Calc 2 was easy, engineering class was designing a planar...-- 22:37, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
The stuff in Calc 1 really isn't hard at all, but I just had a teacher that was a bitch. Probably good though because now calc 2 will be a lot easier. We'll see, I guess. -- -

7 Hero Mercenary

Just say 7 Mercenary. "Hero" is redundant. Nvm you fixed it. -- 01:56, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

I was about 30 seconds ahead of you. -- -

New Computer

Runs GW at 300fps on max graphics without breaking a sweat, and I haven't even tried overclocking. 24 inch monitor. Massive upgrade from my laptop, which struggled to keep up 30fps and required a laptop fan/stand with my ceiling fan running at the highest setting, just in order to keep the computer from overheating and shutting down. I'll write up the specs soon. -- -

Sounds good, damn, I need a new laptop... It's 3 years old... 18:04, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Offensive

Fuck yoooooooou~ Go get GA for when danny gets back ;o 21:21, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I might.... My laptop is retarded in all things and said it didn't have enough hard drive space for it (even though I did), but my new computer should be quite fine in that respect. We'll see. -- -
Woot >:D 21:32, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
Also, check out my fucking amazing specs (in sig -->). -- -
Kk, tonight we'll see how crappy this GA is. -- -
Btw go buy dark souls for ps3. Game is fucking retardedly hard. It's awesome. Example: 23:00, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Android fails at text editing. — Rally- kupo! 05:13, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Ah, kk. I take it back. -- -
xD didn't even link to the right thing in this header, jesus. — Rally- kupo! 05:16, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Well, my tablet is fucking annoying to use on PvX, so I can understand. I still lol'd, though. -- -

Wb

Pre-emptive. 19:43, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Over at my sister's and can't resist. Hi! :D --
Haha, hey Jai, almost-welcome-back wishes from 20:32, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Saying you've only got 3 hours left on your ban is still evading your ban! True story. 20:35, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Owned. 20:36, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Fix'd 23:59, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

AP Elementalist

Yep, I realise you're wanting to trashvote it. "only AoE in the optionals causes scatter." - Churning earth doesn't cause scatter. Chain lightning doesn't cause scatter. Meteor shower is shit, but still doesn't cause scatter. Would you be kind enough to fix the reasoning? 09:49, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

trashvote
Overall - 3.8 Jaigoda Last edit: 16:13, 15 Jan 2012 (EST)
— Rally- kupo! 18:02, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Any thoughts on new ele skills?

In particular, I was hoping you might have some insight into a 7-hero setup using elementalists for the heavy lifting - damage, prot, healing and such. Viridian () 16:02, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Run RoJway but with EA ele's instead of the smites. Command stuff on one, and whatever you feel like doing for the other. Also, who is you? -- -
Me? No one of consequence. I just asked because you seem to be fairly smart and you've commented a lot on team builds. The new doublecast ele skills are pretty powerful now, and I was thinking that maybe they could be used to good advantage in a hero team. Thanks for the idea, I'll give it a try. I was hoping to come up with something more than just RoJway with eles, but it's a good start. Viridian () 19:20, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
I'm not incredibly original. XD Creative builds don't do much for me; I'd much rather just have something practical and practically indestructable. -- -
Cute. You still call it RoJway without RoJ <3. 03:55, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
As in, run the same build as RoJway but just without RoJ. Probably more accurately EA/flameway at that point, but the names are pointless anyway. -- -

Problem

Gotta turn this in for physics 2, and was thinking the PvX'ers might be interested in it. It made me feel smart and hopefully it will for you too! 

You have a line charge that lies along the x axis from x = - 9.2 cm to x = +8.0 cm, and you want to find the electric potential on the y-axis at x = 0, y = 4.55 cm.
The line charge density as a function of x is given by λ(x) = (800μC/m * x) / 0.172 m where x must be in m. 

Part (a) 
Draw a diagram of your version of the problem, and use it to set up the integral for V. Show your work clearly.
Turn in this part of the problem, along with a printout of your version of the problem, at the start of class
on the day this problem is due. You can also turn in your evaluation of the integral, but that part will not be graded. 

Part (b)
Evaluate the integral to determine the electric potential at x = 0, y = 4.55 cm.

The answer is -0.443MV. Have fun! -- -

Enjoy using that useless piece of information countless times in the future. *snicker* <3 ♣ 10:54, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
hmm, either you dropped some info out, or the line density goes negative when x is negative. which would be really quite bad :p - 11:12, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
The density in jai's skill level goes negative ;> ♣ 11:44, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
It's charge density, so a negative charge isn't a problem. Rask is just jealous that he can't solve it. :D -- -
yes, we are both crazy jealous of your high school physics knowledge Fianchetto () 16:01, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Rask going hard. Ps I sense some mad. Also I took an exam today and this was a legitimate question: 
I keep the clock in the kitchen running 0.3 ms fast in a paltry attempt to
encourage me to get to my own lectures on time. How fast and in what direction
would a rocket have to be going so that, with respect to the rocket, the kitchen
clock and the atomic clock in Greenwich are reading the same time? (The
distance between Greenwich and my kitchen is 112 km.)

Physics tutors have a strange sense of humour. :< 16:12, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Actually I am pretty envious. I'll have to take physics in college and it wasn't offered at my high school. ♣ 16:40, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
lol that's a more interesting q. did they give the rocket's altitude, or do they allow approximations? Fianchetto () 16:54, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
We didn't do this shit in my ap physics class-- 19:19, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
This is college Physics, second semester. Also, looking back the problem isn't incredibly interesting, but probably the combination of getting it on my first try and it having been 2am at the time made me quite deliriously happy and compelled me to post it here. Also, for that problem, PewPew, I'm not really sure what type of problem that is. Are we talking just being "ahead" because of distance, the same way that Eastern time is ahead of Central time? Is the rocket's speed in relation to the earth or space? Is it talking more about the fact that time isn't actually constant (though that wouldn't seem to have an effect on the time difference)? Or is it simply asking how fast it'd have to be for the rocket to travel 112km in 0.3ms? The last option is horribly boring, and is actually physically impossible because it surpasses the speed of light (3.733*10^8). Also, is this physics 1, 2, or what? -- -
It's a relativity question, so it's asking how fast would the rocket have to travel relative to the clocks for them to appear to be running the same due to the time dilation. (Greenwich is in the same time zone, so there's no worries there.) So you'd travel in the kitchen --> Greenwich direction with the velocity v, we require that t'=0, so you re-arrange the formula t'=γ(t-vx/c2) to get v=c2t/x, with x=112,000m and t=3*10-4s so the rocket needs to be travelling at 2.41*108m/s or 0.8c to get the dilation of 0.3ms, which is pretty fast for such a tiny change really. You don't need the altitude, because no matter how far away from the clocks you are the effect would still be the same. You wouldn't physically be able to read them, but you're in a rocket anyway so I don't think that's a particularly worrisome problem.
Oh and it's part of my Motion + Relativity module at uni. Good fun. 15:07, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
Altitude would make a difference, but it depends how semantic you're being. Reason being the strength of gravity is different at different altitudes (they've proved this by having an atomic clock on earth and one up in an air plane and when they got them back together they'd fallen out of sync!) 15:30, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
But the clocks are both on earth at the same altitude, and the fact it's a rocket is essentially irrelavent :< 15:34, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
you're not comparing the two earth clocks, you're comparing rocket to earth. i asked because we used to just assume altitude to be negligible compared to earth's radius, but the choice of 'rocket' over, say, 'pigeon' leaves room for some grav time dilation. anyway i'm glad you're enjoying the class. make friends with the tutors, they'll give you answers. i did when i worked as one during undergrad :P Fianchetto () 16:16, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, that's why. I've never done relativity before, hence I had no idea how to do that problem. I was kinda on the right track of the part with time not being constant, but I don't any more knowledge of that stuff than just a few tidbits I heard over time. Sounds fun though. -- -
Wikipedia in your spare time like me and easymode.-- 03:57, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
Or just play global agenda like a boss. ♣ 04:59, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Archive

I JUST saw that as you fixed it. Thanks Jai. 15:56, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Wooooooow, I overlooked that one... 15:57, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

GA

Spamspamspam. ♣ 10:59, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

♣ 05:50, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Do you read the discussion before rating? I already brought up the fact that a water bar wasn't the best for the slot, albeit Deep Freeze on a hero would be shit. Why not just fix it? It's the only team build of it's kind, I see no point trashing for one or two builds. I might just edit it myself, if no one minds. Soi Sticker () 23:42, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

It's best to fix things before you ask someone to change a vote. His vote doesn't lack reasoning so you're kind of going out on a limb with the vote policing. ♣ 02:22, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Jai voted on the build for specific reasons. Don't rag on him because he is able to edit the build page. That's not how things work here. — Rally- kupo! 02:24, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Well no, I agreed with him. But I also don't know what would better serve the team than that water bar. Double Dragon is stupid because it's just damage, another mesmer or something I suppose. But anyway, I just wondered why you wouldn't want an obvious theorycraft build become a good build by the support of your hand. Soi Sticker () 03:08, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
I dislike Markway, to be completely honest. As it was previously, it wasn't horrid, but now it is and I'm not going to waste time trying to fix it when I find it to be a fundamentally flawed build. The only reason I hadn't 2-2'd it from the start was because I knew Minion would have gone apeshit on me for weeks if I had, so I settled to make sure it didn't get put in Great. -- -
Are those your thoughts based on the current revision? Soi Sticker () 04:18, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
The ele revision. Now it's as decent as you're going to get while relying on heroes to trigger MoP for most of your damage. -- -

Curious

Do you people hear Jai in your head as "j-eye" or "jay"? 'Cause if it's the latter, I'll be sadpanda. And yes, this is utterly random. -- - /font>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Jaigoda|

J-eye. Jay rhymes with gay, so I guess you're insecure and that's why you're asking. Soi Sticker () 04:19, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
"Jay"goda just sounds wierd, that's all. It'd be like calling someone named Isaac as eh-sack. -- -
If you wanted it to sound like Jaygoda, you wouldn't have spelled it Jaigoda.-- 11:21, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

I actually vote wiped that build. Turns out I probably shouldn't have, but what's done is done. -- 08:34, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, that didn't show up in history for me and I saw nothing on the talk page except for people saying it didn't work in GvG/HA. I figured it was just another build from Wikia that never got any votes on it. I'll stay away from that build from now on. -- -

Surgeway

Retarded vote comments incoming! 14:29, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Because unlike some other Robin Hoods, I can speak with a british accent! -- -
C'mon Jai, not funny. 16:04, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

omfg wtf nob surge beat inept u not gt brain or smth Rawr () 21:02, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

It is kind of funny vorpal. I love how they accuse me of vote balancing constantly when I 5-5 all of their good shit, yet they pull crap like this 24/7 XDDDD ♣ 21:08, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Vote balancing is for the simple minded. I simply vote because I care! 22:47, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
I vote because I don't care-- 23:30, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
I don't care because I vote. 23:31, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Srsly though Jai, Surgeway deserves a 5-5, don't circlejerk a great build just because Alex killed his cat. ♣ 23:39, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
I copied Rawr's vote, not Alex's. And I'll remove it once this pointless fucking shitfest between dual Illu and dual Dom goes away (Mis removed it). You're all being retards, and it's bringing good builds down in the process. -- -
carebear <3-- 06:36, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

I hereby donate to you a ^________________^

Take good care of it. -- -- 13:33, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

You literally just made my (otherwise very shitty) day, Dandy. Thanks for that. <3 -- -
I didn't poop on you that much. 22:47, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
No, that came from my back-to-back Calc test and Physics lab, all on about 3 hours of sleep. And some other stuff. -- -
Does that mean you're up for an encore of last night? 00:35, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
My CS final was the midterm with a few extra problems tacked on. zzz lazy teacher-- 03:08, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
My nano midterm was multiple choice that I went to this morning drunk! zzz easiest module ever. 15:33, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

new xkcd toy

time to spam those BestGore links!-- 17:23, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Saw that a few days ago. -- -

Piece of Shit Soi Sticker

NPA. I am mortally wounded by that comment. ~ 04:29, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Wut. I was as careful as I could manage to not personally attack you or Alex, despite how oh-so-tempted I was to do so. I said you were fuckers, but no more than that. And if that's the worst you can handle, then you're in far worse shape here than I thought. Ups, forgot about my vote. Considering how much drama you've caused, you kinda deserve it, but nevertheless, I'll change it... -- -
I didn't cause any drama; you're the one who voted poorly. Did you ever get to reading Relyk's piece on AP Ele? Or have you realised you've made a mistake and ignoring all confrontation? ~ 06:48, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
.... I had voted the build as good, which most will agree is what it deserves, and I didn't trash vote it until you started causing drama. In fact, nobody besides Rask would have bothered with trying to trash the build if you had just taken a chill pill and gotten on with your life. I've also told you this about 10 times now, and I'm obviously talking to a brick wall, so it's not like it matters. -- -
Stop saying you're talking to a brick wall, it doesn't make arguing with you any harder/easier. There were always issues with that build, even when I was just lurking, there was this silly argument about it just being a discord caller... So there have always been troll votes. You also do realise, saying you *had* rated it Good, doesn't compensate for the fact you've 0-0'd it now. I'd like you to fix your rating based on a non-biased or "fed up" opinion, thanks. Let me just add by saying you are causing the drama currently by knowingly wrongly trashing a build and not expecting any consequences ~ 17:43, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
"I didn't trash vote it until you started causing drama." - So you've changed overall rating of a build and therefore the perception of the build by people who visit this site just to get back at someone? Seems like the mature thing to do. Random Weird Guy () 17:47, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Soi, your logic is incredibly backward, and I don't care how hard/easy I'm making it to argue with me. But if you're going to continue running in circles, I'm not going to bother discussing with you. And no, I am trashing the build because I believe it is a trash build, not some ulterior motive that you seem to think I have, and I'm being 100% honest when I say that. In fact (and this is addressing Random Wierd Guy as well), I tried avoiding drama as long as possible by voting it good even when my reasoning implied it was a trash build because I knew, well, what has happened now would happen. I just didn't give a fuck enough to explain ad nauseum why it was a trash build, so I didn't bother trashing it in the first place.
Listen, it's obvious you're not giving a shit what I'm saying, so unless you're willing to work with me here then I don't see any point continuing all of this. I've sent you an email through PvX with my IM. If you want to continue discussion there, I'll be on all of Sunday and other random times and I'll be willing to listen to what you have to say. If not, then I'll no longer be responding to anything related to the AP ele bin uild unless an admin calls my vote into question. -- -

I don't care if you leave it 0-0, but fix your dumb reasoning jai. Preferably something less trivial than how long it takes to cast a spell or complain about how you don't have enough time for serious discussion.-- 20:01, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

It is a bit all over the place, yeah, though most of my reasoning is on the talk page. If an admin does want me to change my vote's reasoning, I will. Otherwise, you're probably right, but cba. -- -

Just wondering

In other parts of the US (and elsewhere), is Calc 2 widely considered the hardest out of all the calc classes? Almost everyone I know says that Calc 2 is a bitch and Calc 3 is easy in comparison. While I won't take Calc 3 until the fall, I didn't think 2 was hardly any harder than 1. Anyway, was just wanting to know if everybody thought this or if it's just the schools in my area. -- -

Depends on what those courses cover. I can't remember where the cutoff was for me between Calc 1 and 2 (partly because I skipped calc1 in college due to my AP calc in high school), but 3 was basically just expanding the previous stuff to 3(+) dimensions. As long as you have a firm grounding in 1&2 you should be fine if that holds true. -- 03:27, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm not worried. I'm fine in math, but I just wanted to see whether things were different around the country/world. -- -
1 and 2 are building blocks, 2 being more difficult due to integrating having special cases. Everything else (calc 3, differential equations, etc.) just build on those foundations.-- 03:40, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Calc 4 was hardest for me, thrilled to get a D out of that class.Yoyoma () 04:55, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Calc 2 is pretty much integrating techniques, calc 3 is 3rd dimension along with other stuff. I don't know about calc 1 cause AP calc.-- 06:02, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
I have a good friend who skipped AP Calc and just took Calc 2 in a college class. He said it was easy and was all about focusing on a certain topic I think. I'll talk to him later to find out. 13:00, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

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