"Cast Shadow Form within range of Quickening Zephyr to save energy." How is this saving energy? got it.. Finsky 15:25, September 25, 2009 (UTC)
- instead of using 30+ energy for gos/dp/sf you only use 13 for sf. Sir nothing 15:39, September 25, 2009 (UTC)
1 more vote[]
gogo. - AthrunFeya 
15:09, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
Boss[]
am I doing something wrong is it supposed to take 15 mins to kill the boss? ;s 83.254.187.88 17:50, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
- Kill the avalanches in the area right before the boss, and then walk backwards to the boss with all the elementals on you. The more elemental agro, the faster it'll be. Should take less than 5 minutes for lvl 2. Life Guardian 17:59, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
- ah ok, I forgot about the other elementals, but could anyone upload a screenie of where to stand to survive while killing the boss? would help alot 83.254.187.88 19:32, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
- My energy is crap while killing him. The damage isn't that great. Diamond Shard Grave. /gg 75.142.10.108 03:23, March 2, 2010 (UTC)
- ^ Again, this build won't work. 75.142.10.108 07:37, March 7, 2010 (UTC)
- Except it does. That guy just needs to l2p. Life Guardian 07:45, March 7, 2010 (UTC)
- ^ Again, this build won't work. 75.142.10.108 07:37, March 7, 2010 (UTC)
- My energy is crap while killing him. The damage isn't that great. Diamond Shard Grave. /gg 75.142.10.108 03:23, March 2, 2010 (UTC)
- ah ok, I forgot about the other elementals, but could anyone upload a screenie of where to stand to survive while killing the boss? would help alot 83.254.187.88 19:32, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
i have aggro from all elementals. even tried getting aggro from the spiders just outside. Sliver just doesnt seem to be enuff to kill him. plus cant get that sweet spot where diamond shard doesnt effect you. even after watching video just cant seem to get it. apart from killing the boss the build works great. 81.97.45.88 12:51, March 7, 2010 (UTC)
- Thats what I said. Fail build is fail. Life Guardian needs to stop theorycrafting and start playing. 75.142.10.108 00:39, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
- It takes some practice, but it isn't that difficult to avoid mist. The boss dies pretty easily with 6 or more elementals. I can only suggest raising your evas title for more damage--Relyk talk 00:54, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
Blow me stupid IP. There's playing for you. Life Guardian 01:07, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
- Life is strong. + ℓγssάή [rage] 01:35, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
- Life is pro. Invincible Rogue
02:58, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
- I admit defeat life. Good man. 75.142.10.108 22:14, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
- Btw, after watching the video, i can see why you had problems. The guy who did the video is terrible at the boss portion. Life Guardian 02:08, March 9, 2010 (UTC)
- I don't do youtube videos. I prefer written descriptions. 75.142.10.108 04:11, March 9, 2010 (UTC)
- well ya it was an old video and not every pull is the same each time. doing this daily for tip runs and it's never a perfect run. some are as fast as 4 mins but at crazy as 30 mins =( And it's the second step area for that sweet spot right? right where the snow starts to over lay the second step. that's were i stand. Chess yang 21:36, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
- I don't do youtube videos. I prefer written descriptions. 75.142.10.108 04:11, March 9, 2010 (UTC)
- Btw, after watching the video, i can see why you had problems. The guy who did the video is terrible at the boss portion. Life Guardian 02:08, March 9, 2010 (UTC)
- I admit defeat life. Good man. 75.142.10.108 22:14, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
- Thx for the build guys. Do you guys use any cons at lvl 1? I can't seem to do it without a BU or candy or some other movement speed --Boosnow 20:00, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, a blue rock or cupcake makes lvl 1 much easier, but it is possible without. Life Guardian 00:11, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
- Life is pro. Invincible Rogue
Alternative Routes and Proof to unlock[]
does it matter which proof you unlock? Plus i'll try to post the routes i run. I know the office wiki a rout but like to post a few other alternative routs. hence "Alternative routes" Just hate ppl calling and drawing when the route i take is CALLED MY ROUTE not yours. Chess yang 17:44, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
- I never bothered to look at wiki when I learned this run. I'll have to try out the route wiki suggests, but I go a different way. Life Guardian 17:53, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
this is the route i take. i'll add your route Life Guardian. i think i better add numbers or with was first.Chess yang 04:03, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
- It's actually a little faster/easier to get the switch to the left rather than the one on the right. Either way works though.--Relyk talk 04:08, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
- with this route ,you get the map so for me it's better than the other route--Kebabs42 09:38, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
gain[]
what can we gain in end chest?--Kebabs42 21:27, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
- See the wiki--Wracks 04:28, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
Problems[]
Im still having problems with this build. I thought id try out a practice or two on normal mode before i went for hard mode, and im now on at least the 10th attempt, and I've yet to kill the final boss. Im surviving, but dont seem to be able to deal enough damage. Most recently was there for about 20 mins, but his health seemed just to hang around 90%. Im using intensity (havnt got EBsoH on my sin yet) but am still dealing ~20 damage per sliver hit, any idea what im doing wrong? Jimmylad 22:44, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
- You absolutely need ebsoh since it can be kept up permanently, intensity is only up 10 out of 45 seconds. Also if you don't have enough elementals aggroed (5-6), he will take very long if ever to kill--Relyk talk 22:47, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
- (EC)You're in normal mode so the elementals wont follow as far and will attack really slow. Life Guardian 22:48, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
- ok, will try this out tonight! It never occured to me that it might be easier on hard mode....Jimmylad 13:08, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
E/A just as viable?[]
At a glance I can't see any reason why an E/A variant wouldn't be just as successful, but I'll admit to having been gone from the game for awhile. Any reason I couldn't learn this on my ele? Ruse Torrent
- Damage will be a bit lower because of lower SF cap so itll take longer and youll take more damage due to lower armor. Might also need DP instead of GoS, not sure. But yeah, should work fine on an ele. Life Guardian 01:04, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
- Oh, hrm. Yeah, I wasn't thinking correctly. Normally eles get higher earth magic damage, but silly me I wasn't factoring in the cap. -ponder- Well it's worth giving it a go, anyhow. By the way, what are you referring to with DP? GoS I get, but not that abbreviation :)Ruse Torrent
- Deadly Paradox. Life Guardian 01:33, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
- deadly paradox--TahiriVeila 01:35, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
- Herp a derp. I should have gotten that one, lol. Thanks. Ruse Torrent
- deadly paradox--TahiriVeila 01:35, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
- Deadly Paradox. Life Guardian 01:33, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
- Oh, hrm. Yeah, I wasn't thinking correctly. Normally eles get higher earth magic damage, but silly me I wasn't factoring in the cap. -ponder- Well it's worth giving it a go, anyhow. By the way, what are you referring to with DP? GoS I get, but not that abbreviation :)Ruse Torrent
speed of this build?[]
How fast is an average run? Demonic Sin Ex 01:54, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
- Like 7-8 minutes if you don't accidentally kill the elementals, I usually finish it in 13-14 minutes, although i haven't done it in awhile--Relyk talk 05:13, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
What Deld rank do you need?[]
I was doing this and for some reason I can't fully maintain Dark Escape when I'm running on the first level. I take 0 damage and everything but I really don't understand why I can't get past the first level. I am taking the routes mentioned by the way.
- Math says you need at least r7 to permanently maintain it. I don't know whether or not you can get away with a small gap or not. ToraenTheJanitor
04:17, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- That's too bad, I'm r6 lol! but I'll change it on the build guide and add it. Thanks for the heads-up though.
- It'll work at r0, you only need it for getting past groups and getting 33% ims if your not using red rock--Relyk talk 06:18, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- btw math is wrong... dwarven stab's bug requires u to have r9 in order to perma Dark escape without any cons. Demonic Sin Ex 03:14, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
- It'll work at r0, you only need it for getting past groups and getting 33% ims if your not using red rock--Relyk talk 06:18, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- That's too bad, I'm r6 lol! but I'll change it on the build guide and add it. Thanks for the heads-up though.
Does this still work[]
All those interrupts must hurt...70.19.161.57
- Should be able to break agro on wisps before you need to recast. Slap an update tag on it anyway.--TahiriVeila 05:14, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
- ^that and djinns actually deal less damage now since chilling victory is adrenaline--Relyk talk 10:34, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
- It's both easier and more challenging. I find it easier to take it a little more slowly than before and kill the wisps via jets. Even if they interrupt SF they're going to die before you do, meaning the path is clear for the next section. Fortunately, you no longer have to worry about the wisps killing you with straight up damage, as the guy above me said. :D 67.233.147.170 16:15, 22 February 2011 (UTC)Deesturbed
- The interrupts are annoying as hell but at least the djinns can't kill you with damage anymore.Alcahmahol 14:28, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
- And the elemental damage? >> if sf gets rupted, wont they just deep freeze/kill you?
- There aren't many frozen elementals, you'll stay alive against a couple and you don't have 5-6 djinns on you. If you do get interrupted, DC to an elemental for a health spike and cast sf without glyph will give you enough time to get away.--Relyk talk 02:56, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
- Indeed, I'd argue that this is actually significantly easier now than it was pre-dervdate. Just ran it without any cons, didn't die or get rupted once. Just gotta time your casts and use Death's Charge right.--Loshon 12:24, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
- Exactly, added it as counter though. Ran it today, was a pain one run, but the rest went well. All I want to say. When you're in a bad spot to have an interrupt, you're down Slayer à la Shadow Form 09:44, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
- Found the interupts make it a bit more hazardous crossing the large first level area - but if you use sliver armor you can block/kill the djinns to stop them interupting you. Succeeded first time in HM. -- Chieftain Alex 13:00, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
- Found the interupts make it a bit more hazardous crossing the large first level area - but if you use sliver armor you can block/kill the djinns to stop them interupting you. Succeeded first time in HM. --
- Exactly, added it as counter though. Ran it today, was a pain one run, but the rest went well. All I want to say. When you're in a bad spot to have an interrupt, you're down
- Indeed, I'd argue that this is actually significantly easier now than it was pre-dervdate. Just ran it without any cons, didn't die or get rupted once. Just gotta time your casts and use Death's Charge right.--Loshon 12:24, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
- There aren't many frozen elementals, you'll stay alive against a couple and you don't have 5-6 djinns on you. If you do get interrupted, DC to an elemental for a health spike and cast sf without glyph will give you enough time to get away.--Relyk talk 02:56, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
- And the elemental damage? >> if sf gets rupted, wont they just deep freeze/kill you?
- ^that and djinns actually deal less damage now since chilling victory is adrenaline--Relyk talk 10:34, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
- Interrupts are pretty bad yeah. So today I slapped on unseen fury instead of death's charge. Blinded djinns = harmless djins :D Worked awesome for me.Bhagwad 04:19, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
Better spot to sliver kill[]
He may cast his special skill, since he is not in the area, it doesn't affect you. No bug, just using my mind.
Slayer à la Shadow Form 14:20, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- How the hell did you take 15 minutes? You can clearly see that Life posted a picture with 3 min above - I got 5 on the one time I've done it :/ wouldn't say sacrificing 10 minutes for an easier boss kill was worth it tbh. -- Chieftain Alex 14:57, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- I died while trying to help the team. Someone afked, I had to wait ... Slayer à la Shadow Form 14:58, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- It was the war named general devroar Slayer à la Shadow Form 14:59, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- seems like a waste of time when its easy enough already.--Relyk talk 22:32, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- Its not actually, you inmediately pull him back instead of finding the spot and hoping you are in range. This is easier Slayer à la Shadow Form 05:13, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
- I'm afraid we're rather put off by the 15 minute thing. Maybe post a screen with 4 min + this spot and we might consider it a possibility. -- Chieftain Alex 07:55, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
- Will do, will make a solo vid if you want (SFS here, talking from school) 188.204.143.97 11:40, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
- It's worth putting on the page since it can be a problem. I'm pretty sure he spawns in the same place and you can always safespot it though.--Relyk talk 12:48, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
- I like him safe where I am. Had a 7min vid, could've been 6 though. Slayer à la Shadow Form 22:21, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
- NOTE: I had a damn lag btw if you want to see the vid. Slayer à la Shadow Form 22:22, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
- I like him safe where I am. Had a 7min vid, could've been 6 though.
- I'm afraid we're rather put off by the 15 minute thing. Maybe post a screen with 4 min + this spot and we might consider it a possibility. --
- Its not actually, you inmediately pull him back instead of finding the spot and hoping you are in range. This is easier
- seems like a waste of time when its easy enough already.--Relyk talk 22:32, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- I died while trying to help the team. Someone afked, I had to wait ...
Small Note[]
The only things dealing cold damage in this dungeon are the Fragment of Antiquities (just his frozen burst), the ice darts/jets + the frozen burst of the avalanches. Also you can glitch the gates on level 1 just like you can in frostmaw. -- 
Chieftain Alex 20:34, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
Frozen Burst[]
I haven't been able to find a spot where sliver armor works but frozen burst doesn't...guess I need some more practice maybe.Bhagwad 01:49, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
- It's the furthest possible range where sliver hits. Shadow 05:48, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
- Did it! But it took me some time to kill the bugger. I realized too late that I could hit him with my spear also :D. I noticed that he was casting frozen burst this time but it wasn't hitting me - he was regenning a bit because of that, but sliver was way more damage. Now I need to get a 20% enchanting staff and switch out to cast sliver to try and reduce the horrible recharge time...Bhagwad 04:14, 14 October 2011 (UTC)